Adam Hinchcliffe
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Q How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
The design has taken a step backward- thought I had a general idea of what it was going to be like. Then boom, loads of problems to make the prototype. Although this is a design fault, I have a complete redesign for my xmas bottle holder/box
Q Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
No not really it gave me a insight into origami but hasn’t influenced my design as of yet.
Q What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these [at least 2 points here].
Printing on to card might be a problem might try using my screen printer, or I might use stickers for my design. Cutting of the card, getting the card perfectly straight for my design to work also for the dimensions.
Andy - I think that you need to do some serious refining of your design[s] Adam.. I could see it was simple but also that it needed more thinking around making the product visible and second use or re-use as well as the 'value-added' element [game, glass, Christmas decoration, bottle opener etc etc?]. Ideally we're steering clear of glues as they don't really tally with the aims of folding and tabs etc. Glueing costs more too and complicates and slows the assembly line process I would imagine. I like the simplicity of the stickers but I think I'd need to see a more refined idea before I could be convinced - again it's stickers, glues etc..
Anna Jarvis
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Q How has your packaging design progressed from the POC’s session?
- I have incorporated a place to hold the box with an inverted handle.
- Moved onto the design content and what that might start to look like.
- Worked out a way of keeping the bottles secure once they’re inside the package.
Q Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week, give you any additional thoughts ideas?
- I struggled to use any ideas from the Origami task with the type of material I have. Also sometimes trying to explain and inform someone how to do origami, in this case, instructing the secondary use, can be confusing.
Q What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these?
- At the stage I have one concern about the handle because it wasn’t until after I made the prototype that I realized. The handle falls too closely to one of the edges and may not be strong enough to hold for a long period of time. I tested with two bottles including the cider inside them and a glass and it did hold well but as I took them in and how so much and kept testing it the handle has formed a small tear at the corner of the actual handle.
- My other concern is that where the negative space in the product lies. It holds a lot of negative space where the smallest part of the bottle is. It has this problem because of the shape of the rigid box with the rounded bottle shapes.
Anna's comments on her additional graphics:
Essentially the background colour is the actual cardboard and the other parts would be printed on somehow. However after todays lesson I have had a couple of different ideas about maybe stenciling my designs onto the cardboard. It would definitely give the feel of something that had been handmade and more personal for Weston's. Also this week will be looking into have a securing system for the bottles inside the package, which will hopefully come from an extra tab within the same piece of cardboard. Another thing I forgot to mention today was that I have considered using the natural straw inside the box to add character to the gift and to also enhance the protection between bottles.
Anna's comments on her additional graphics:
Essentially the background colour is the actual cardboard and the other parts would be printed on somehow. However after todays lesson I have had a couple of different ideas about maybe stenciling my designs onto the cardboard. It would definitely give the feel of something that had been handmade and more personal for Weston's. Also this week will be looking into have a securing system for the bottles inside the package, which will hopefully come from an extra tab within the same piece of cardboard. Another thing I forgot to mention today was that I have considered using the natural straw inside the box to add character to the gift and to also enhance the protection between bottles.
Andy - Simple but effective idea Anna. I know that Ian is concerned about the beermat idea though so you may need to put some more thinking into that or another alternative that fits with one or more of the 'keywords" we're adhering to such as "tradition, rural, apple, historic, organic" etc. Anna P had a lovely idea to include classic pub games in her packaging - which is both possible and wholly appropriate. I think that my other point raised today was the 2x locking tabs that hold the box together may need revisiting when the box holds the two full bottles and the stresses on them are greater in transit etc.. I like the flat colour ideas graphically too - remember that 3 [spot] colours is the maximum to be used here on packaging though with 2x colours possibly being an 'ideal' given minimising inks and process etc.Anna Pirvola
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Q How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
My design has changed pretty much completely since the POC week as I was quite lost then but had another think about the brief after. I’ve remodeled a new handle which was one of my criticisms last time and a second use for the package which kind of also makes the package a gift item. There is no separate gift yet.
Q Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
The principles of origami have probably influenced me in terms of trying to think differently when creating a package: different folding than regular boxes.
Q What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these [at least 2 points here].
I need to find a cardboard firm enough to support the bottles correctly. I will probably need to try out a few models to find the right combination of material and technique. Also, I will have to use the surface of the package for printing very efficiently as I’ve tried to keep the amount of cardboard used down but at the same time I want to turn the package into a game board which takes space (+ playing buttons & instructions for the game). The game prints will be in the inner side of the package and the outside will include Weston’s logos, drinkaware prints and so on.
Andy - Like the simplicity of this idea Anna - you've really taken the 'less is more' idea to heart and minimised the packaging material used in the extreme. Additionally I really like the 'classic pub game' idea too with a second pr re-use of the packaging. I think a test is key though - get your bottles and build a full sized mockup to see what the issues are. Remember to keep it as simple to assemble as possible -and- remember what I said about following-up possible recycled paper/board suppliers to see if you can get some sample materials to experiment with [these will also allow you to better cost or suggest costs to your client on submission of work].
Chun
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Q How has my packaging design progressed?
Well there were 3 factors that was brought up about my previous design and they were – considering transit, how it binds together and ways to strengthen it.
I made major changes to it such as the reduction in unnecessarily needed material as this caused complications in my design, this helped with the ‘binding’ as it was unnecessary. Secondly I got rid of the ‘handle’ because this seemed to get in the way more than anything, so I just simple made some cuts into the side of the packaging with became my substitute. Combined with the first point saved a lot of material and I think it helps with the brief as it says they are constructed by hand. And finally I strengthen it by making it a lot simpler and less flimsy, this would help with the stacking.
Q Did reading about the Origami Basics give me any more thoughts or ideas?
It’s got me thinking about a secondary use but I really cannot think of one. Well that would work with my particular design…
Q What issues or problems do you anticipate?
At this moment in time I think I’ve over come those problems, well the ones that would relate to the actual design. The main problem I had initially was the proportions, but after when I took some measurements down of the bottles then worked around them it worked well. I think now I’m just considering the actual packaging prints.
Andy - I think there's some good basic considerations in here Chun. My concerns were around the carrying and stacking of the product in the main in the session. If the bottle clips in to the carrier and is held by a narrow rim only then I still think that you need to use raffia or possible rope or a natural material to tie a 'figure of eight' around the two bottle tops. This could also if you're clever form the carrying handle maybe - meaning that you get more space on the side of the pack to put graphics etc instead of cutting the carrying handle in. We also discussed this idea of a more festive look/feel. It didn't have to be obvious - maybe subtle - maybe simulating a simplified Christmas tree on the side of the carrier? Also the visual desings need to tally with the keywords we've been using: "tradition, rural, apple, historic, organic" etc. The other big consideration was that after hearing everyone elses ideas on second use/re-use etc - you didn't have a real idea about what yours was. As such some serious considerations needed in this area I think Chun. what is the 'added value' idea that makes this purchase not just Cider and carrier?
Hannah Potter
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How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
- Began looking into the packing design and labelling
- Measured out all the products and created my design to scale (on illustrator)
- Gotten in contact with the people at green glass for a quote, turn around time etc
- Looking at other designs that are in the market today that have been successful and seeing how I can incorporate their packaging into my own work
- Made improvements on the suggestions from the POC session, more solid base tabs so that the bottom can hold the weight of the bottles, a built in barrier between the bottle and the glass to stop them banging together in transit. And I have gotten rid of the useless tab and replaced it with ‘tuck and tongue ‘ tabs
Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
- Yes it did, it helped me to solve the problem of the top tabs and allowed me to experiement with locking and tuck and tongue tabs- one of which I have incorporated into my final design.
What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these?
- Locking tabs may have to be adapted to me more user friendly with cardboard
- possibly a mechanism to hold the two sides of my box together
- labelling on the entire packaging- needs improvement
Andy - I really like your packaging idea Hannah. I appreciate that there's other things to refine on it like the fastening clip/tab but the logic with the opening packaging and the associated recycled glasses etc all fit nicely with the 'value added' aspect of this brief. I think comments made at the end of session revolved around simplifying the colour usage if possible as I think you'd thought about 4 x colour process. We also discussed a 'rustic' look with possibly moving more to single or duo colour 'woodcut' style imagery with the same elements you have already if possible.
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Q How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
Since last session I’ve been looking further into the types of material that I might use for my design. I have researched case studies into Paperboard/Boxboard companies, looking specifically at their stance towards sustainability. I also studied other drinks companies that are big on sustainability where I learnt about bottle re-use and how to minimise freight costs and environmental costs. With this information in mind I then continued to develop my concepts from last week into more refined ideas. I made considerations about locking tabs and folds while trying to create a net that will be strong enough to Display, Protect and Transport the product.
Q Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
As far as origami goes It has had little effect on my design so far but the Cradle to Cradle aspects that we thought about on the blog have gone towards moulding my development on various occasions so far.
Q What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these [at least 2 points here].
Problems I might face in the next few weeks are with net creation. This is something I need to research and experiment with further. I have a simple understand of the process but I want to make sure that my final concept can hold its own in the real world.
I’ve also had problems finding suppliers of low/no-VOC glues. Whereas I can find them referred to in many articles. This might mean I will be forced to create a net that includes no glue however I’d like to include low-VOC double sided tape in my design to make the production-line quicker and more efficient with little effect to the environment.
Andy - Some nice ideas going on here James and a fairly radical shift from standard boxing and packaging use. Like the pack mirroring the Weston's ID though. Your idea about how the 2x bottles will sit still needs some further assurance from you with testing ideally. Padding etc is an issue too - poss get around with packaging alongside your 'gift' though maybe? Jute bag would pad things out but could also act as a 'bag for life' type scenario maybe - think about the attractiveness of the gift to the purchasers though - what would your dad like in a gift pack like this? Remember the link given as a ref on the brief to St Peter's Ale was the one supplied by Westons as a ref: http://www.johnlewis.com/161108/Style.aspx
Leon Li
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Q How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?My design has improved by added a handle for it. I meant to cut a window in front to show the cider bottle but because this is not my final prototype so it was made in normal paper and it might collapse if I add the window in it.
Q Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
The whole package was made in glue less which is based on the origami idea, however it is still not the best design yet as there are still a lots of problem with the design such as the handle is not comfortable to hold on and overall it is not strong enough.
Q What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these [at least 2 points here].I am still trying to find a way to create it in one piece however I have to find a bigger piece of paper 1st.
Also I still haven’t work out the 2nd use for the package, at the moment I can only think of flower pot for it and I am still finding a useful 2nd use design of the package.
Andy - Leon - like the strap holding it all together here, simple packaging idea but I think that you need to think about how it will stack on pallets for transport as one issue. Maybe the leather thonging could be used to wrap more of the pack too? Also - I think you'll need to see the product better through 'windows' in the pack. When asked you'd not given any real though to your second usage or 'value added' idea to your pack though - needs some serious thought on this Leon. What will make this not just a two pack of cider?
Luke Smith
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Q How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?How my design has progressed i have changed the idea of having the inner compartment beer mats to be integrated to the outer packaging which can then be cut by the end user.
i have finalised which will be the best mechanisms for the net to work at its maximum potential to stay strong but still be easily joinable will as little glue as possiblei have drawn up the final nets to a both printable a4 and exact scale.
i have tested the new inner compartment before creating the real one to make sure that the dimentions are correct.
Q Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
origami is a good way of creating forms without the need of glue however i found in a lot of designs for origami as it can be folded usually by hand, the weight of the contents may be too much for the folds to bare and fall apart. another disadvantage of using origami is that if you have to fold over the same areas you are wasting material and therefore isn’t limiting what is used for both environmental and financial reasons.
origami is a good way of creating forms without the need of glue however i found in a lot of designs for origami as it can be folded usually by hand, the weight of the contents may be too much for the folds to bare and fall apart. another disadvantage of using origami is that if you have to fold over the same areas you are wasting material and therefore isn’t limiting what is used for both environmental and financial reasons.
Q What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these [at least 2 points here].
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Andy - think from your roughs looked at in session that you've got some good considerations and appropriate ideas Luke. Shame as we said that you misunderstood the need to bring a physical test in to discuss for the deadline this week but think that you're keen to resolve this. If you can send me an image of your worked-up prototype then we'll add to this blog. We can then add further comment when we can better assess the idea.
Mike Doe
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Q How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
The packaging is progressing following the main to points raised.
I’m working on the design to go on the box. After researching how this would be done, screen-printing seems the most practical for the real life product. However not having access to this I’m trying to simulate this using paint and stencils. The ideas I have lend themselves to this as the are quite blocky colours.. The other point was the fastening tab I’m looking into this but haven’t managed to make much progress with this as, while researching there no glueless tabs I could find that work in the way that I would need (mostly revolving around folding on itself)
Q Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?The origami did to some extent, as I want to fit it together without obvious tabs. How to apply this to my design I’m still working on. However the alternative is if I can’t hide the tab altogether I would like to make it more aesthetically pleasing than it currently is..
Q What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these [at least 2 points here].
One issue I am currently aware of is that when I have cut the part for the free gift. It won’t be on display. Other than drawing attention to its presence on the front design. As mentioned before I’m not happy with the fixing tab but still haven’t found a way that makes it better and keeps its functionality.
One issue I am currently aware of is that when I have cut the part for the free gift. It won’t be on display. Other than drawing attention to its presence on the front design. As mentioned before I’m not happy with the fixing tab but still haven’t found a way that makes it better and keeps its functionality.
Andy - Mike, I know that Weston's are really interested in your packaging idea - clear that your logic and ideas are on the right track regards the physical pack itself. I think that you were starting to look at the designs on the pack too - which obviously is the other big consid here. I also suggested that you might want to amend the flip-out 'arms' that hold in the bottles etc so that they looked a little less angular and a little more naturalistic with curves involved. This may have the added benefit of additional strength too. As with the others though, the visual is key as is the second usage aspect or 'value added' gifting etc. How to include these aspects are really important with yours above the clever packaging design.. See the "St Peter's Ale link on James Duffield's comment from me - may help with reference.
Michael Evans
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Q How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
After taking into account the feedback received from the POCs session, I decided to change the shape of my packaging completely. I developed my prototype into a more simpler design and now have cut outs on the packaging to display the bottles more effectively. The new packaging now has a handle and stronger locking tabs. I am still having some problems locking the bottom of the packaging without glue but will hopefully overcome this issue by the next session.
Q Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
I started to look at different origami methods to incorporate into my design, but it started to get a bit complicating and my design is focusing on a more simple, minimalistic approach. I like the idea that producing origami packaging will leave you with a product in its own rather than just a packaging box, but the materials I will use for my packaging will not be appropriate for this method.
Q What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these [at least 2 points here].
I am still thinking about the 'added value' aspect for the packaging. At the moment I am going with a Weston's glass, as that item has sold really well for the company in the past, although I am still trying to think outside the box and come up with something different. I thought about a deck of playing cards made from recycled card although it may add some weight to the final product. I also need to figure out a better way of locking the bottom of the packaging without glue, so my research is on going to overcome this problem.
Andy - Michael I know that your car threw a wobbler on the day this week. Thankyou for quickly explaining this and thanks for the associated imagery too. From these images my initial thinking is that it seems simple but effective packaging with a good strong handle/lock tab. What material are you planning to use though? The shape of the pack would seem to rule thick carboard out so I think you'll need to have researched alternatives. We did talk about trying to get FSC or recycled paper and board samples from such companies as Robert Horne, http://www.roberthorne.co.uk/ or maybe via the National Association of Paper Merchants http://www.napm.org.uk/recycled_paper.htm. Naturally there are others but you'll have to look for them and follow up etc.. Westons will need some kind of costing for this item as well as availability of materials - the more you can supply then the more change/the more attractive youur offer could be..
Nathan Brown
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Q How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?I have developed a traditional package concept to fit my needs and the needs of the brief and the simplicity in its design.
Q Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
I believe that using Origami would make my package more stronger and more visually interesting but would be to complicated and time consuming to create.
I believe that using Origami would make my package more stronger and more visually interesting but would be to complicated and time consuming to create.
Q What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these [at least 2 points here].
One issue is that the twine could break releasing its content onto the floor to prevent this placed a piece of cardboard at the bottom of the package to strengthen the bottom and place less strain on the twine. The second issue would be the twine ripping through the cardboard to prevent this I need to thread the twine into the cardboard 2cm from the edge to again give it more strength for transport and to hold the weight of the bottle and pint glass.
One issue is that the twine could break releasing its content onto the floor to prevent this placed a piece of cardboard at the bottom of the package to strengthen the bottom and place less strain on the twine. The second issue would be the twine ripping through the cardboard to prevent this I need to thread the twine into the cardboard 2cm from the edge to again give it more strength for transport and to hold the weight of the bottle and pint glass.
Andy - Nathan, like the idea but as we said in session the twine aspect has to be seriously simplified for assembly on a line at Westons. I suggested that the bottom end needn't need twine though as it won't be seen on the shelf. This leaves the top only which I think could be achieved with pre-made 'loops of twine' that are quickly sewn through in one or two gestures on the line. Then there's the issues of packaging graphics and the second use or 'value added' idea that makes this package not just packaged cider bottles. Then there's the materials or paper/board that you'll use - have you looked into sourcing this on an industrial scale as yet? No one has looked into 'seeded' paper or board yet - I wonder if this aspect might be an individual idea that you follow up maybe? Additionally the product must be reasonable visible in the packaging on the shelf of the shop.
Nick Lyons
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How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
• One of the points raised with regards to my design was how the bottles would be secure within the packaging it self. My original consideration was to use raffia inside the box as padding, however this has now progressed to using an insert, cut to the shape of the bottles which allows them to sit, with support ½ way up. With the lid secured with twine or raffia it would keep the bottles contained.
• Another consideration was the strength of the box and how the corners would lock together. I have since move forwards with the design and used double strength sides to the boxes which allow stronger connections and joints.
Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
• One thing I brought forward from this task was using the twine or raffia as a secure way of keeping the lid on the box. It was a recycled, cheap and easy to produce material that would be easy to assemble by hand.
What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these?
• One of the issues that I may have with this box are that if I implement the cut out in the lid that this may significantly reduce the strength of the box and also mean the bottles are exposed and could potentially be damaged.
• Another issue is that if the lid is detachable, then some form of security sticker or other security method would need to be applied on the side of the lid. This would prevent easy access to the free gift inside.
• Another consideration was how to secure the bottle opener. This would be done by with a ½ insert into the inner, for which the opener would sit. The top would then be secured with a single piece of raffia.
Andy - Nick: simple, effective, protective, light, easy to assemble - all excellent considerations here - well done. Some poss refinement of the graphics as yet [think minimal spot colours ideally - poss two or max of 3 really]. Like the flat colour aspects to date though and the imagery seems in line with Weston's own marketing. Think the sinking-in of the bottles that hang above the outside edges is very important here too for transit/packing etc. Do think that you may need to think about the possible visible product though here - maybe window[s]? Raffia ideas excellent too and appropriate and respects the 'rustic' and rural heritage. Second use or value-added aspect important too - presently a bottle opener so will leave that with you to look at. Like the fact that you've already looked into poss methods of transferring designs to packaging too - good.
Parisa Darling
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How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
My packaging design has progressed recently, by a few minor but important changes. The middle of my box contains a Christmas tree as the divider for the bottles, this can be then taken out and used as a decoration for that Christmas, and even kept for Christmases to come. Originally this piece was going to be the height of the box with a handle attached to the top. The handle is where the design has changed as adding an extra handle to the top means that the tree would need to be cut down to make a good decoration. I changed this so that this extra bit of wasted card would not be needed.
The tree itself now has two options depending on which I think will work better for my final, the handle will now be either made out of recycled string to hold the packaging. But this would be quite hard to hold on the hand and could even dig in if holding for a long time, but it would mean the decoration could be hanged up on the tree itself. The other option is that the tree would be made to come over the top of the box so you could use the tree itself for the handle using no extra products. This would make the tree a stand along decoration, but could get more easily damaged in transport.
Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
After the blog task I looked even more into origami and found some sites which let you make a box through origami itself, this really appealed to me as it would make an interesting box design. The only problem is all these were made out of paper, and creating them out of card would prove difficult with the thickness of card needed to make the box, and folding it so many times wouldn’t have the same effect as paper.
What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these?
Problems I see for my packaging is the way the box is held together, I’m worried it could be easily pulled apart or damaged. The only way I see around this is to make sure the measurments are exact enough to keep a strong firm structure which wouldn’t collapse. My prototype works well to show this, and I feel that it is now stable.
The only other problem I see is including the coasters if that packaging is going to be hand made it might be tricky to get the coaster into the design.
Andy - Parisa, I think this design has got some nice touches to it - especially so the internal tree decor or top of the tree element maybe[?]. The tabs on the outside of the pack possibly need to be made subtler though but I appreciate that this is a prototype. I also mentioned that you'd need to see the product a little more and might want to amend the height of the box so that more bottle was visible. There's then the issue of what graphics will go there and whether the tree decor is the only 2nd use aspect or can the exterior container itself be re-used too maybe? Key words - 'rustic', 'tradition' and 'organic' for the visual side of things.
Peter Fox
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Peter's Rustic Poem Idea:
From the woods of ye old and the fruits of our land,
From the earth to the sky to the glass in your hand.
From barrel to bottle an organic taste
a refreshing brew you wont want to waste.
From nature to you in our products we care,
This Season find joy in both apple and pear.
From all of us here we'd just like to say,
Merry Christmas to all, in the ol' Westons way.
1) How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
After noting various points of feedback from others, I began working on the full scale prototype. After numerous attempts and tweaks I decided to make use of folded corner tabs that strengthen the corners of the packaging. I have also looked into types of rope and twine to be used as a handle but yet to physically implement it, so with regards to time I have worked on the visual print design of my packaging which incorporates a woodcut vibe. (Printed with vegetable inks of course)
2) Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
I did at one stage experiment with various folding techniques and locking tabs which in part gave inspiration to keeping my design glue-less and easy to assemble. This also helped me to develop the folds for strengthening the corners.
3) What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these?
One issue I am facing at the moment is availability of materials I can use. The card I am using to test the design is quite ‘springy’ for lack of a better word. This means my corner folds push open the sides slightly. This would not happen with the actual card I will be using but is difficult to judge whether it works without using the actual card.
Another issue at the moment is how I am going to fix the bottles. I am currently working on two methods. One involves slits on the card that fold out around the bottles, the other would involve rope that ties into the carrying handle. Ease of assembly and cost are two factors I have to consider.
Andy - Clear that you've been exploring some lateral thinking here Peter. I really like the rope/hemp idea/samples they do seem to fit nicely with the simple and rustic/organic perspective. I guess it's how you use/apply this ropework though and how this both enhances the 'feel' of the design as well as the practicality of the design as well as being quick and simple for the assemblers to utilise. Love the idea of the poem - really think that this helps give over a 'feel' for the product that graphics etc can't quite manage - the spoken work is a powerful thing after all and it alone [never mind the graphics] can cunjure-up imagery in people's minds. I guess the other aspect is the packaging and just what's possible re printing [Nick seems to have explored this area in some depth]. Do you want to stay simple maybe with the sort of simple colourscheme - 2 or poss 3 spot colours in veg inks etc or maybe even tone down to one if you feel it'll still cut it. I recall you talking about 'woodcut' style imagery too - I wonder if this is still an option that's feasible - it's crude and rural-feeling while still allowing a very limited colour range etc..
Timothy John Berry
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How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
The feedback I received during last weeks POC session was very helpful.
I was concerned in areas regarding the structural strength of the packaging and the ‘ ease of use factor’
After discussing this with my learning team, I was steered towards looking into the concept of cardboard sleeves – this adding much needed strength and rigidity.
Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
If anything, it simplified my ideas to a more basic form. By utilising the concept of origami I was able to break my design up into 3 sections, this adding to the ease of its recycling.
What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these.
Printing – I find it a real disadvantage that we do not have the facilities to print on anything within the University bigger than A3.
After reading the feedback from Ian at Westons, I am concerned that a few beer mats may not cut the mustard.
I will need to look into other forms of gifting within the restraints of my prototype. Possibly a beer bottle opener? Or adapting the card to form a structure of secondary use.
Andy - we had a tutorial chat after the session today Tim in which we sorted a few things that would help your design better sit on pallets for delivery as well as being carried from shop to house if required etc. I think that your design has some really good and clever considerations inbuilt already - I know that [pardon the unintentional pun] you like to 'think outside of the box' [sorry] too. All quips aside this thinking WILL eventually pay off and you won't default to cardboard coasters etc [which Ian's not so keen on according to his previous comments]. It's the second use or 'value added' element that you've got to wrestle with a little more - but then you know that.. Keep plugging away - it will arrive I'm sure!
Tom Willis
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How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
My design has progressed from the basic box to a holding structure; using inner layered crosshatching flaps to hold the Cider bottles in place. This was to save glue, but when placing this into a physical net design, this idea seemed to not fully function.
Another point was to add Christmas ideas and further usage into the design, in which a tree design was incorporated and further research in just Christmas packing was done to add the Westons guidelines in the brief.
Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
The origami basics were good for thinking outside your own mindset. The after use concept was very much though on, and found from taking the slits and folds into the consideration. Westons wine-line coming out soon, was a big influence on my design choice.
What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these [at least 2 points here].
The first issue I came across in my design when physically placing the net together were the lock system flaps. When opening and closing the packing, these were pulling out of place a lot, and bending out of a safe structure shape. This placing the items inside the packaging in jeopardy, the switching of different locking system ideas in still in place and in ongoing development, and is in its fifth net solution, on a user-testing basis.
Another main issue is the opening and closing string system, what was thought to be a clear easy process, can be quite tricky. The solution to this is a rethink to the opening and closing locking system, as user feed back I have done has been very directional to which way I take it forwards.
From this, my further re-think after many net attempts is continuing for a near new design working off what hasn’t worked. I have a new design a lot different to the first but is ready to hit the floor running to develop.
Andy - like this Tom - got potential.. I think the string may need to be raffia or natural twine maybe though? Second use needed to be clarified a little more although you did give a brief description in session. As with some of the others too the graphical treatment needs to be looked at and the materials - FSC or recycled board - have you looked into suppliers yet so that if yours was chosen by Westons that you could pass over these aspects too? Looking fwd to your visual outputs Tom as you normally come up with quite distinctive designs. I think imagery like this might be suitable in style and simplistic/rural etc: https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg8rdWsQM6SsZuxH5Afw7Y2SwjKcdvORWqjTKNcBuaE5-lIYgFsLBooYH6UQ-7gkMG9ufM8Q59xGBns7X2z5vwK8XB19LuZlfV_MWwsJBXOFY_qdpBD0V6M1o9_m_eFEmpn7p2iCDWWJbo/s400/Woodcut-quince.jpg and maybe: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1322359/2/istockphoto_1322359-woodcut-apple-illustration.jpg
Will Darling
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How has your packaging design progressed from the POCs session?
My actual design has changed completely, as I felt my original design was missing on a key point. It wasn’t showing much of the bottle except from the side, it also wasn’t showing any of the gift glass. So I altered my design I brought the top down lower and put sides on it, this meant you can see the neck and the top of the glass, as well as it being secure in the box. I have also began to put a few designs into illustrator and photoshop to see how the designs will look when being printed out.
Did your reading about Origami basics as part of the blog task last week give you any additional thoughts or ideas?
This is something I considered in my new design by using the handle to hold the design together as well as balance the box, the handle goes through a small hole on all the side tabs, and I’m currently thinking about adapting my design of the side tabs further through folds, to try and make it stronger.
What ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ do you anticipate and how might you get around these?
The issues for my new design would be getting the design printed onto the card, I am going to look into different printers near to see whether any can print on the material I am using, and what material will be best used for the handle and where I will be able to get it from, obviously once I have chosen a appropriate material it will be easier to find.
Andy - I think we'll need to see your physical prototype Will to get a better idea before fully commenting.As you say, you'll deffo need to show your bottles to some degree - the buyer needs to see the product. Gopefully with all the discussion and ideas flying about today you'll be able to refine for next week's Peer Assessment session.
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